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pj norris
This is on Roscommon coco website.
8. The proposed development shall be used for the mooring of river and lake craft only. The facility shall not be used for the facilitation of power or speed boating.

This is condition no 8 of the planning consent.

What does it mean? No spedboats,jetskis etc? WOW!!!!!!

So no Powerboat Club and leave the speedboats at home.

PJ

Just have to bring the speedboat in on the davits of the cruiser I guess then PJ ....... ;-)

PS: they should have an interesting time enforcing that clause. After all most open bow speed boats and dedicated ski boats are designed exclusively as "lake or river craft".
May simply put an exclusion zone in place though as per a lot of the midland lakes. The CoCos see to like nice simple "blanket bans"

Richard wrote...

> This is condition no 8 of the planning consent.

Colin>>>This is interesting. The Maritime Safety Act 2005 gives Co. Cos
power to prohibit speed boats and jet skis on lakes in their baliwick
provided they aren't already controlled by WI or a harbour authority. Up to
now, WI have resisted calls from local authoities to make any such
prohibitions, believing that their mandate is to manage the waterways for
the benefit of all. So is a way of Roscommon Co. Co. imposing their will by
the back door. Westmeath have done the same at one or two places on L. Ree.

Colin

This is the usual response to perception of behaviour rather than actual behaviour. Its an easy solution to ban people rather than take the time to educate them. IWAI or WI could easily create a booklet for PWC users detailing regulations and best practice and supply it to the sales outlets for these craft, who could attach it to the machine. this way people get the information and the I didn't know excuse is defunct.

Limerick marina was packed a few years ago at the Riverfest and was being continually rocked by passing PWC's rather than shouting and fist waving a quiet word was had explaining the difficulties it was causing, along with a polite request for it to cease, not only did they comply but they spoke to others on the water and a very cordial weekend was had by all. Hand waving rather than fist shaking
I don't know about anyone else but I respond better to a polite request much better than a fist shaker shouting at me.

AJ

PS this booklet would also serve to inform people of the IWAI and especially our powerboat branch.



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No point in buying that Mastercraft now, and especially with the useless floating breakwaters. So, I'll have to stick with my 2 hp suzuki and 30 year old dinghy to try wakeboarding off when in my favourite spot in Lough Key. But then again, I can use them off Drummans or the concrete jetties I guess....

Les 41M

would there be power points on the new jettys then ?

Kieran I wasn't making any comment on your opinion as any one can express their view here. I was just hoping the topic wasn't going to move onto Hoggers again and away from the main theme of the L-Key development. As for my sense of humour PJ my only mate(well aquaintance)often says to me--"You know Mick you are one funny being"Mick

Donal,Power and water are part of the plan. Mick F, you're very lucky to have a mate to keep you in check.

In case anybody thinks it,I have no problems with speed boat. Sports cruisers on the other hand CAN be a PITA.

Cheers,PJ

Then i'm ok then coz all i have is a 20hp to push my shetland along-top speed is as quick as i am to put my hand in my pocket when its my roundstill i hope it pushes me around Upp L-Erne someday next week so i can see what the high water is like. Mick

I welcome the development and I particularly like the fact that the development is designed to support barges as well as "river craft" ( is that how my TSDY is now described ) there is also a floating breakwater ( with land access) going to the north of the jetties to protect them.

A to visual amenity value , well firstly the castle is rather larger then the boats so I doubt views will be obstructed. Secondly most of the land is elevated so again views won't be blocked, thirdly like most people, I happen to thnk boats are nice to look at.

In reality it's the only place such a marina could have been placed, moving them to the " bull pens" would make them very exposed to winter storms and I doubt a floating breakwater would be sufficient, equally theres no ability to access the area by car , and his is an important point if you are establishing a fairly big marina .

I don't think you could pick anywhere in long key that's not somewhat of a visual intrusion , but at least it's tucked more or less out of sight

Dave

Floating jetties, power,water,landscape, time to visit Lough Key
Now is there one of those up and down lock things between the Shannon and Lough Key if so is it sized to take Barge (not a canal boat or a slim Dutch job or one of them river craft)

Donal
heading north in 2012

Yes, Dave, you're right of course.
But that doesn't stop those of us who remember the Rockingham Jetty being new(ish) and adequate for the demand, feeling nostalgic for those times. I miss the old visitor centre too, with the restaurant looking out over the lough.
For me, Rockingham has been changed for the worse, but I accept it was necessary.
I just don't see it as a "mustn't miss" venue any more, is all!

Duncan

Dave, Are you really serious when you say " at least it,s tucked in out of
sight "
Specsavers anybody ??

Kieran Walsh

No problem for you Donal, the last lock in to Lough Key will take 2 barges side by side, and is well long enough for you.
I guess quite a few of us will be trying out the new 'barge' jetties after Jamestown. Roll on 2012.

Les 41M

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Les Saunders
I guess quite a few of us will be trying out the new 'barge' jetties after Jamestown. Roll on 2012.

Les 41M

Awwwww Les, does that mean you're NOT coming cross The Royal to the Tall Ships in Dublin then....???

M(W&W)F

Ah, that would be Clarendon Lock, Knockvicar.
Similar to Albert Lock, Jamestown Canal, in that it handles 4 motor cruisers at a time, so I wouldn't imagine you'll have a problem!
I looked for my old Shannon Guide, which gives the dimensions of all the Shannon system locks, but can't find it.
No doubt somebody on here has one, so I'd say expect confirmation shortly...

Duncan

Mick, I've done my hard work on the canals. I was ploughing them up and down every year when you were still a glint in your mammies eye. I wintered at Hazelhatch for 16 years before moving to Shannon Harbour, and I have ploughed more furrows than you will do in manys a year. The Royal will be done, but after the hard work has gone out of it by pioneers like you, and great to see you do it. Just standing on a tiller holding on with one hand trying to unhook 20 yards (it was yards then) of barbed wire and fencing is just too much for the knees right now. Shopping trollies, weeds, blocked filters, jammed gates, holes from rocks, paint gone from the sides, tractor to squeeze me through the lock gates that are too tight, jeeps to pull me through fields of weeds, reverse for 2 miles (yep miles then too) to reach a turning point because locks jammed and no WI to fix the next day (do it yourself or forget it)....I could go on and on and on...being there time and time again.
I like the clean fresh weedfree deep roomy waters of the Shannon now, which is why I moved to live down here, no blocked filters, no jammed props, room to manouver, places to go, few scrapes, few groundings, and fewer holes in the bottom, (yep, had them too).
And to be stuck for a few days while waiting for water levels to allow me through may be ok for some, my family just wouldn't let me away with that that easy, you know, like kid at school, etc etc. And leaving it for a week or so is risky...yep did that too, 2 breakins, smashed doors, inside ripped apart etc.....just couldn't face all that now.

Having said that, this year I will most likely get to Mullingar from Tarmon side, turn and come back. That part looks like it is ready for traffic like mine. But not sure prior or after Jamestown. But for sure not just to see the tall ships, being there loads of times as well, done that..just slightly bigger rags and sticks.

So, there you go Mick, keep up the good work, brilliant to read about your exploits, but I'm kinda glad they are yours, and not mine...the reduced spondulacs would limit repairs dramatically, so I have to protect what I have.

Roll on the new season and see you down on the big river early next season. Bet you didn't expect that response.....

Les 41M

Les, had you only said that in the first place....LOL. Mullingar should be a fairly easy target all right, though you may have to do an odd lock yourself (just for old times sake) There were a few "rubbing spots" west of Abbeyshrule but nothing of any consequence. Weed was well under control too(late July). WI do seem to have matters in hand with dredging being done on the first mile or so east from Coolnahay. This was the main sticky point west of Mulingar. Plenty of room to turn in the harbour at Coolnahay and loads in Mullingar Hbr. There may be a turning point or two in between but I really was'nt noting them as the notion of going back east just was'nt EVER going to be considered...!!

As far as I know, the Sallins Fleet are heading across the Royal after the Dublin Rally next May/June, so perhaps you could welcome them to Mullingar...! I going out the Grand (cant miss Shannon Hbr 2 years running) so wont expect to hit the river till late June at best..!!

M(W&W)F

PS....In the summer, you could probably do Richmond to Mullingar in 2 long, 3 medium or 4 relaxed days.

I think it depends on where you stand, Kieran!

Duncan

Duncan said:

Ah, that would be Clarendon Lock, Knockvicar.
Similar to Albert Lock, Jamestown Canal, in that it handles 4 motor cruisers at a time, so I wouldn't imagine you'll have a problem!
I looked for my old Shannon Guide, which gives the dimensions of all the Shannon system locks, but can't find it.
No doubt somebody on here has one, so I'd say expect confirmation shortly...

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From my dog-eared Shannon Guide:

Dimension of Clarendon Lock (in old and new money):

102ft (31m) x 30ft (9.1m)

Lockkeeper Mrs. Conlon tel Cootehall 11.


Jim
BBC BSF

Dimension of Clarendon Lock (in old and new money):

102ft (31m) x 30ft (9.1m)

Now thats the Lock sorted, but a little bird fresh off the Royal was on early this morning to say that there is a low bridge on the route ?

Barge is 11' air draft over 12' or there abouts

Went under another low bridge on the way to the Silver eel last year
Is this one lower

Donal