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Well done RNLI

Posted by OceanFroggie 
Well done RNLI
07 February, 2012 11:00
RNLI rescue 905 people in 2011 (see RTE link below). Great news to hear RNLI are due to start operations on Lough Ree this season, thanks in no small measure to efforts by Athlone IWAI branch and local interests. That will bring to three the no of inland stations based in Ireland.

[www.rte.ie]

OceanFroggie Noel Griffin
Re: Well done RNLI and Irish Coast Guard
07 February, 2012 12:15
Hi Noel,

No doubt it was a mere oversight on your behalf when you excluded a mention of the Irish Coast Guard and the various other Vuluntary Units on our lakes and around the coast that also give of their time to assist others !!!
Re: Well done RNLI and Irish Coast Guard
07 February, 2012 12:29
Quote:
MG Kerr
Hi Noel,
No doubt it was a mere oversight on your behalf when you excluded a mention of the Irish Coast Guard and the various other Vuluntary Units on our lakes and around the coast that also give of their time to assist others !!!

Apologies Maurice for that omission. The news piece was about the RNLI. Of course we are also lucky to have an excellent IRCG IU base in Killaloe. Well done all rescue services including RNLI, IRCG, sub aqua clubs, Garda sub aqua unit, civil defence and other small independent marine rescue units.

OceanFroggie Noel Griffin
Re: Well done RNLI
23 February, 2012 00:48
Quote:
OceanFroggie
RNLI rescue 905 people in 2011 (see RTE link below). Great news to hear RNLI are due to start operations on Lough Ree this season, thanks in no small measure to efforts by Athlone IWAI branch and local interests. That will bring to three the no of inland stations based in Ireland.
[www.rte.ie]

I suppose this IS good news. But I have always been concerned about the necessity of such a specialised and expensive facility on L.Derg, (And now L. Ree), or any other inland waterway in Ireland. Has experience to date not shown that the RNLI are acting as an Aqua AA service to retrieve grounded boats? The Coastguard in Killaloe, together with rescue services in Mountshannon and Portumna, already fulfil that role.... Is the inclusion of the RNLI not just duplication in these austere times? The few, tragic, instances of loss of life that I am aware of on the lakes could not have been prevented by the presence of the RNLI. Presumably, there is research to prove me wrong, which would be great! I listen to VHF weather up-dates throughout the winter from L. Derg Coastguard, and also the un-tiring communication from the RNLI Lifeboat on night exercises, and wonder does anyone else tune in, or have any interest? BTW, where does the Portumna rescue unit fit in? I don't see it listed as a "Dedicated resource", but have seen it in operation recovering hire boats in trouble in a very expensive, well kitted rib?

Regards

Peter.
Re: Well done RNLI
23 February, 2012 07:40
Hi Peter.

RNLI is not State funded. It relies on voluntary contributions.
And of course Lifeboat crew are unpaid volunteers.

So if RNLI decide that a station on Derg or Ree is justified why should we not welcome it?
And support the RNLI with our subscriptions?

All the best,
John
Yacht Breakaway
Re: Well done RNLI
23 February, 2012 07:44
Quote:
Peter Kingston
Quote:
OceanFroggie
RNLI rescue 905 people in 2011 (see RTE link below). Great news to hear RNLI are due to start operations on Lough Ree this season, thanks in no small measure to efforts by Athlone IWAI branch and local interests. That will bring to three the no of inland stations based in Ireland.
[www.rte.ie]

I suppose this IS good news. But I have always been concerned about the necessity of such a specialised and expensive facility on L.Derg, (And now L. Ree), or any other inland waterway in Ireland. Has experience to date not shown that the RNLI are acting as an Aqua AA service to retrieve grounded boats? The Coastguard in Killaloe, together with rescue services in Mountshannon and Portumna, already fulfil that role.... Is the inclusion of the RNLI not just duplication in these austere times? The few, tragic, instances of loss of life that I am aware of on the lakes could not have been prevented by the presence of the RNLI. Presumably, there is research to prove me wrong, which would be great! I listen to VHF weather up-dates throughout the winter from L. Derg Coastguard, and also the un-tiring communication from the RNLI Lifeboat on night exercises, and wonder does anyone else tune in, or have any interest? BTW, where does the Portumna rescue unit fit in? I don't see it listed as a "Dedicated resource", but have seen it in operation recovering hire boats in trouble in a very expensive, well kitted rib?

Regards

Peter.

the rnli is paid for by charitable donations from the public like me.
it does not cost the government or anyone else that chooses to ignore it anything.

you seem to be missing one fact that I think is the most important in that they have saved lives that would otherwise have been lost without them.

they operate the way they do so nobody is afraid to call them out so that they will always be there when they are really needed.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 23/02/2012 07:45 by andrew.
Re: Well done RNLI
23 February, 2012 08:13
RNLI Lough Derg Lifeboat and Killaloe CG are the only designated rescue assets by MRCC on Lough Derg. One of the others seems designed to deal with non life threatening routine hiccups, groundings, etc, on hire vessels and to keep same minor incidents under the radar of MCIB. Mountshannon is a community run rib and undesignated like Portumna.

Btw, the regular VHF calls heard every 15mins when either RNLI or CG boats are on the water or engaged in training services is a required safety SOP (standard operating procedure). They are obliged to report status every 15mins once launched. There have been two serious incidents on Lough Derg in past three years where four lives were almost certainly saved by the existence of these official, voluntary but professionally operated rescue services. What value can be put on even a single human life, father, mother, brother, sister, son, doughter, child, loved one!

I have a certain sympathy for the issue of 'marine AA role' misuse, but when real lives are truely saved it puts the whole issue in a different context. Rescue services are a luxury we in the west are privileged to have access to, be it an ambulance, fire engine, police, chopper, or boat.

It is true nowadays on the seas, that more and more marine rescue services are dealing with incompetent or careless leisure craft users than professional mariners suffering accidents. But that's a separate issue.

OceanFroggie Noel Griffin
Re: Well done RNLI
23 February, 2012 08:38
On this site IWAI's own Water Safety link should be given to every group of people who hire boats and be a must read for any private owner who uses our waterways. I know its an old cliche but prevention is better than a cure and the water safety link gives sound advice on how to behave on the water and would help if and its a big IF its abided by boaters. As for the different rescue organisations on the water I know if I came upon a situation where i'm in trouble I wouldnt care who they were i'd just be glad they were there so we should just be glad there is some-one willing to give their time and effort to make our waterways safer.Mick
Re: Well done RNLI
23 February, 2012 08:57
Agree Mick. Some interesting links here on Ireland's Marine rescue services. Won't bore folk by pasting it all in.

[www.dttas.ie]
[irishsar.blogspot.com]
[www.irishtimes.com]

OceanFroggie Noel Griffin
Re: Well done RNLI
23 February, 2012 14:01
Meant to say about an experience my mate and I had a number of years ago near Dromod--We had been fishing around Boffin and Boderg loughs when we noticed a hire boat(cant remember if Star or Carrick boat but think Star-getting old)sitting on the wrong side of a black marker way out beyond the harbour markers and so we went to investigate what was wrong. They were foreign and had run aground so we passed a rope and proceeded to pull them out when a rib approahed from Dromod the people on board the rib were sent by the hire company to assist the people and told us off. Seems they said we should have checked to see if the hull was damaged as the boat may have ran onto rocks and not mud and moving it would have caused more damage. Fortunately it was only mud but we were left in no doubt that the hire boats if ran aground should be left for them to deal with--dont know but think they are probably paid by the hire company to rescue stranded boats and we may have cost them money but it makes you think about going to assist such boats. MICK
Re: Well done RNLI
23 February, 2012 14:40
Quote:
Michael Foster
Meant to say about an experience my mate and I had a number of years ago near Dromod--We had been fishing around Boffin and Boderg loughs when we noticed a hire boat(cant remember if Star or Carrick boat but think Star-getting old)sitting on the wrong side of a black marker way out beyond the harbour markers and so we went to investigate what was wrong. They were foreign and had run aground so we passed a rope and proceeded to pull them out when a rib approahed from Dromod the people on board the rib were sent by the hire company to assist the people and told us off. Seems they said we should have checked to see if the hull was damaged as the boat may have ran onto rocks and not mud and moving it would have caused more damage. Fortunately it was only mud but we were left in no doubt that the hire boats if ran aground should be left for them to deal with--dont know but think they are probably paid by the hire company to rescue stranded boats and we may have cost them money but it makes you think about going to assist such boats. MICK


If I can remember correctly, I think the hire co's have a rule that "private" boats should not tow off their boats if aground, ( Robbie will be along to correct me..winking smiley ) I would see if the crew were ok & contact the hire company and/or the rescue services. I have gone to the aid of private boats & jetski.





Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 23/02/2012 14:46 by Pas Vite / T 15.
Re: Well done RNLI
23 February, 2012 15:08
Quote:
Pas Vite
..."private" boats should not tow off their boats"...

That is correct and has also something to do with experience and insurance reasons etc.

I can only talk for Waveline: we certainly appreciate any help from private boaters that we get in the event of a mishap and we also helped and will help out private boaters in need. Towing a boat off is a different story and should only be done in coordination with the owner of the boat. It is simple to make a grounding worse by doing something wrong...

Best regards from Killinure Point
Sven
~~~~~ www.waveline.ie ~~~~~ www.wavelineblog.de ~~~~~ www.loughreemarineservices.com ~~~~~
Re: Well done RNLI
23 February, 2012 16:54
I have been a long time follower of this forum & registered only recently & I have been following with interest recent goings on. I don’t personally know anybody who posts on here apart from a one time meeting with a couple of lads while I was viewing a boat. Therefore I consider myself to be objective & neutral & hope not to offend anyone.
I started reading this thread at post one as one does & thought it was a perfectly legitimate post, succinct, inoffensive & to the point. If one has any more interest one can click on the link to learn more.
Next we have post number two, this post to me seems to typify what seems to be wrong with this forum but I am open to correction on this if there is more to this than I am aware of. I don’t know either of the two posters or if they are known to each other but the second post seems to me as a neutral observer to give the impression is that it is a “have a go” post? There first post in no way deliberately omitted the ICG or voluntary units it was simply about the RNLI, how one could take offence from it is puzzling. My impression is that poster number two has some sort of an axe to grind which does nothing to enhance the forum.

Martin
Re: Well done RNLI
23 February, 2012 17:13
This is an old debate MTF a case of differing views but I think no animosity. Some people believe that Derg is over subscribed with rescue services others don't that's all. Personally I don't care so long as people get help quickly when they need it. So "Well done RNLI"

AJ
Re: Re: Well done RNLI
23 February, 2012 18:36
Can't say I saw anything untoward in it either, MTF. Although the post
was about RNLI, there are other groups who also deserve mention in this
vein. This does nicely demonstrate my previous point about different
people forming different impressions from the same material.

M(W&W)F
Re: Well done RNLI
23 February, 2012 23:10
There are a raft full of issues in the great RNLI debate and their role on the inland waterways. Suffice to say and I speak for my own hire company only, I would have grave reservations to overcome before permitting the RNLI getting involved in a grounding incident involving any of my craft. I would have major concerns for the safety of RNLI members who are neither trained, equipped or experienced in this role. The risks to their wellbeing is simply too great.
Re: Well done RNLI
23 February, 2012 23:34
Quote:
ROBERT McCLEAN
There are a raft full of issues in the great RNLI debate and their role on the inland waterways. Suffice to say and I speak for my own hire company only, I would have grave reservations to overcome before permitting the RNLI getting involved in a grounding incident involving any of my craft. I would have major concerns for the safety of RNLI members who are neither trained, equipped or experienced in this role. The risks to their wellbeing is simply too great.

I might not be entirely correct, but my understanding from past grounding incidents on Lough Derg is that the RNLI focus on rescue of crews from grounded vessels rather than recovery of vessels. In cases of severe groundings the hire operators or their agents recovered vessels subsequent to crew rescue by RNLI or CG. In only minor groundings (ie soft mud, vessels lightly aground without hull or stern gear damage) have rescue services pulled vessels clear, but only after detailed inspection of the vessel, hull and gear, and again once floated off. They have trained and retrain for this kind of incident and far worse at specialised facilities in Poole and Cork.

OceanFroggie Noel Griffin
Re: Well done RNLI
24 February, 2012 00:15
Getting sent to bed now with no dinner for being boldconfused smileydidnt think we were doing anything wrong but reading the e-mails here it seems my good deed could have had serious consequences.Still thats what this site is fo--- educating the stupid-ignorant(unaware)-unwary-novice boaters of the dangers out there.smoking smileyMick
Re: Well done RNLI
24 February, 2012 02:36
Umm. Well, I did stick my head above the parapet :-)) I see what people mean when they dare not post on this forum for fear of getting shot down - but I'm too thick skinned for that, so there!

Lads - I only asked the questionconfused smiley Are ye trying to tell me that because it's not Govt. funded, it doesn't cost anything? The lifeboat, its equipment, fuel, depreciation, maintenance, flotation suits, gloves, boots, helmets for crew, all cost a small fortune. I know, because the RNLI, whom I support in every way, including financially, send me the details about 4 times a year. Equipment needs to be replaced at least annually. Doesn't matter a jot where the money comes from, we are all paying in the end. Even the volunteers' time is a huge investment.

I have no problem at all with the above, for the same reasons that you all outlined. There is no nobler cause than saving lives. O F - thankyou, answered my question. I was not aware of any incident where lives were saved. That's good enough for me. If lives were saved by the RNLI that wouldn't have by Killaloe CG, that's justification enough for their presence on L.Derg. If the same applies to L.Ree, the case is settled. We should also be looking at Corrib and the Erne. It's all about investing in resources where they are most needed.

Being prone to pottering around Derg in the winter, when it seems nobody else is, it does seem strange to be listening to the CG and RNLI broadcasting to an apparently invisable audience. But hey, I might be the one needing their attention next week, so I hope they're not reading this!!eye popping smiley

Peter
Re: Well done RNLI
24 February, 2012 08:53
I agree that the RNLI are a valuable resource and do a terrific job in usually foul weather, putting themselves second and the victim first.

What I can't stand is the spin when the claim is twisted from 905 people rescued to 905 lives saved. I don't know if this happens between their Press Release and the editor of whichever media it will appear in or if it's a kind of 'understood' twist which is put on it.

Thats not by any means a snipe at RNLI or any other rescue organisation; although it might be a snipe at the media!
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