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How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!

Posted by Thomas Kirby 
How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
31 July, 2012 04:11
I'm quoting my host of last Sunday, one John Kinsella who kindly invited me to assist him navigate his 27 foot Albin Vega masthead sloop from her home base in Dromineer to Mountshannon & back.

As a guest I fully expected him to fire up the motor and drive us as the crow flies straight over there, but he had other ideas.....
His very words were: 'I've only a cupful of diesel to last me until October', so we had to rely on that alternative method of propulsion, and I don't mean rowing!
As soon as we had cleared the breakwater up went both sails, and as the force 4-5 was right on the nose we indulged in long tacks, beating into the strengthening wind, working our way upwind towards our goal. For a time we were accompanied by a 30-odd footer also beating, but every time we crossed his bow we were further ahead, which says something for Skipper Kinsella's sail trimming and his able first mate Linda's helming.......I was just holystoning the decks!

Eventully our playmate gave up the chase and headed off down to Killaloe or Carrigaholt or wherever and we soldiered on with a reef in the main, arriving at Mountshannon in good time for a serious pub lunch which we were more than ready for.
Our return to Dromineer was wind-assisted to say the least. Not far out we abandoned the mainsail and roared across the lake under Genoa (foresail) alone. We had force 6 starting, and by two-thirds the way across we were getting 30Kn windspeeds, which is a good force 7 in £ Sterling and making up to 7.3Kn over ground on the GPS.

To keep things stable we kept the following wind on alternate quarters by altering our heading either side of the intended course, gybing the foresail to either side. This makes progress downwind more comfortable in a blow.
To assist in the roll-furling of the foresail; before getting into Dromineer we turned briefly to windward and the ship's motion could be described as 'boistrous'. We motored in to her berth and had a welcome 'cuppa' and sticky bun, which was just what the Dr. ordered after a great day's sail.

Mr. Kinsella succeeded in showing an ould salt like meself that there's plenty of excitement to be had under sail on the Shannon!....& he used only a drop or two of that cupful of diesel the whole day.

Tom K.

Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
31 July, 2012 11:16
Hi Tom,
thanks for the kind words but you are too modest.
You were on the helm at least half the time - your experience definitely showed.

I think we all three enjoyed the day.


Here's a photo (taken by Linda with your camera) of yourself after we arrived back in LDYC.


(Tom is the good-looking chap on the left.)

Of course I now have to get back to the serious business of converting Mobo Drivers (and Bargees) to the Path of Virtue.. :-)

(Memo to self; check with PJN how the Sailing Course for Bargees is coming along.)

All the best,

John
Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
31 July, 2012 11:18
Pity we missed you on Sunday. We were in Mountshannon. Even sitting in the harbour, we noticed that the gusts were strong.
There was no wind, and plenty of sunshine, early on both Sunday and Monday mornings. I rowed my "Yole" [www.virusuk.demon.co.uk] from Mountshannon down to, and around, Holy Island. The morning can be the best part of the day.
Maybe John will get you back as crew and do the Gortmore Bell race in September [gortmore.iniscealtrasailingclub.ie]

Dermot
Cheetah 304
Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
31 July, 2012 11:28
Quote:
Dermot Mangan
Pity we missed you on Sunday. We were in Mountshannon. Even sitting in the harbour, we noticed that the gusts were strong.
There was no wind, and plenty of sunshine, early on both Sunday and Monday mornings. I rowed my "Yole" [www.virusuk.demon.co.uk] from Mountshannon down to, and around, Holy Island. The morning can be the best part of the day.
Maybe John will get you back as crew and do the Gortmore Bell race in September [gortmore.iniscealtrasailingclub.ie]

Dermot
Cheetah 304

Sorry we missed you Dermot.
Cheetah would have left us far behind on a breezy downwind reach like Sunday afternoon..

Gortmore Bell sounds like a good idea - Breakaway has I'm told performed well in the race in the past but only before I bought her... :-)

John
Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
31 July, 2012 11:48
We are considering doing "The Bell" this year, but only if conditions are suitable. Cheetah is old and has stubby keels instead of centre-boards, so does not like upwind sailing.
We're in the caravan in Derrynane, in the mist and rain today. We'll be back on the lake late August - hopefully see you then.

Dermot
Cheetah 304
Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
31 July, 2012 16:33
It's all lies, I tell you! John K. & I are founder members of the Mutual Admiration and Adulation-Junkies Society (Applicants, queue this side),
and what's more,...
We obviously shop in the same store for our sailing wetgear !

Tom K.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2012 00:25 by Thomas Kirby.
Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
31 July, 2012 17:17
Quote:
Thomas Kirby
It's all lies, I tell you! John K. & I are founder members of the Mutual Admiration and Adulation-Junkies Society
and what's more,...
We obviously shop in the same store for our sailing wetgear !

Tom K.

Tom,
no need for Mutual Admiration.

Mr (Mick) Farrell will be along shortly - he has often expressed his unstinting admiration for sailors and will want to say a few words of commendation to Dermot, you & me...

Now that Mr Farrell is a confirmed member of the Gentry he is tellble polite, doncha know..

John
Yacht Terribly Polite
Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
31 July, 2012 20:21
Ah the oft heard words of the Ancient Mariners-----Sailing the purists form of water traveltongue sticking out smiley. I suppose you still use the stars to guide you by and a sextant to find your location on the Shannon. I must admit the attraction of fighting the wind and current to get anywhere is not for me. My idea of relaxing on the water is turn a key move off in the direction I wish to go and use sat-nav and depth finders to get to where i'm going.smoking smileyThen again if the engine conks out (as happens) I can drop anchor and watch the Ancients sail by with nothing to worry them but the callouses on their hands. spinning smiley sticking its tongue outMick

It takes all types to enjoy the water and I do have respect for the Tattered Sail brigade just dont think i'm up to it(seems too complicated).
Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
31 July, 2012 21:08
Hi Michael.
Not that complicated really but there is a bit of a learning curve all right.

And ironically, sailing boats have far greater range and ability to cope in bad conditions than most mobos of comparable size.

But I am very happy to have a GPS (not really necessary on Derg) and would be unhappy to have to do without a depth sounder.

If you ever get a day when the fish are not biting, the PJ Norris School of Sailing (J Kinsella, Deputy Instructor) is at your service... :-)

John
Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
31 July, 2012 22:39
I was in the British Merchant Navy when young and fit and at Gravesend Sea School we had to get a number of tickets before being allowed to pass out into the wide blue ocean. 1 of these was the Sailing ticket when we were taught the basic's(and i mean basics)of how to rig the sails on the life boats. Not as advanced as the tickets used by yachtsmen on our waterways but just enough to get us away from danger then to deploy the sea anchor to keep us in the general area of our last radio call. Think i'm a bit old now to try out sailing but I did understand about tacking and such but from what I gather you have to be able to sail in the dark or foggy conditions using charts and reading depths etc before being passed for your masters ticket. Think i'll stick with my 30hp(have a 4hp backup) and trolling L-Erne for pike and leave PJ in L-Derg hoping for following winds.smoking smileyMick
Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
01 August, 2012 19:11
Quote:
Michael Foster
I was in the British Merchant Navy when young and fit and at Gravesend Sea School we had to get a number of tickets before being allowed to pass out into the wide blue ocean. 1 of these was the Sailing ticket when we were taught the basic's(and i mean basics)of how to rig the sails on the life boats. Not as advanced as the tickets used by yachtsmen on our waterways but just enough to get us away from danger then to deploy the sea anchor to keep us in the general area of our last radio call. Think i'm a bit old now to try out sailing but I did understand about tacking and such but from what I gather you have to be able to sail in the dark or foggy conditions using charts and reading depths etc before being passed for your masters ticket. Think i'll stick with my 30hp(have a 4hp backup) and trolling L-Erne for pike and leave PJ in L-Derg hoping for following winds.smoking smileyMick

Cheers Mick. (A sailor is as young as his yacht - mine is nearly 40! So never too late to give sailing a try if you want. )

Just curious, do lifeboats on big merchant vessels still have the capability to set sails?

Maybe someone decided engines were a better idea?

I ask cos the Scouts in Tinnerana Bay on Derg have, I think, a retired merchant lifeboat that (I think) is powered.

John
Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
01 August, 2012 22:46
The life boat in sea school didnt but that was back in '74 and it was to show us what to do if we needed to use one, also how to turn a life raft over if inflated upside down. When I was with BP the life boats were motorised but we only done a drill once weekly and all that entailed was going to our station and lowering them on the derricks so people could board at the deck not in the water. The engines as far as I remember were never started at these drills. Although we did use them in Puerto Rico and New York when we lay off shore at anchor to get ashore for sight seeing while waiting for our next cargo.smoking smileyMick
Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
02 August, 2012 18:54
How do, Mr. K. 'Pologies for the delayed response....been terrible busy bending the "Lord Mayor" of Jamestown's ear. One of the Phillidelphia Kenny's....top man for festive logistics. If you have'nt already, strongly recommend you make his acquaintance should the wind ever blow you north of The Goalposts. Looking for a few tips for a new rum based cocktail....suggested by some sailor chappie from Brazil or Headford or some other remote-ish corner....!!

Splendid tale of your voyage from the other Mr. K....bit short on the epicurean detail, mind you...!! A "serious pub lunch" does rather sound as if it should extend to a small bit more than a cuppa and a sticky bun....?? No doubt a touch of discretion is required when breakfasting with Ambassadorial types, but not really called for in here. Spiffing oilies, by the way.....almost puts me in mind of a tin of paint I once had Dawkins open.

Do pass my warmest admirations along to all those included above.....terribly terribly impressed by the inner ear skills displayed by those who regularly sway, to and from the vertical.

Mr.M(W&W)F

PS.....Hear PJN en-route northwards, to bring sailing to the massed hoards of bargedom...!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/08/2012 02:48 by Mick Farrell.
Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
02 August, 2012 20:42




Dermot,

I was fascinated that you had a personal 'Yole' at Mountshannon. I saw these for the first time 10 years ago in the Mobihan estuary in France. They seem to be able to transport wetgear and a picnic as well as able to cope with mobo washes &c., and would exhibit much more versatility than any of the examples attached.

1/ shows 4 touring quads 60 feet down in the Upper chamber during the 'big drop' on our way to Limerick (I'm at bottom right in blue with my hands behind my head)..
2/ shows our 1904 Traditional Thames Double Skiff....a real Jerome K Jerome 'Three men in a boat' craft. That has of course no sliding seats, and two people can sit in the stern.
3/ shows TJK racing at Tullamore in a time trial for single sculls (which I've won Masters' class 3 times over the last dozen years)...Boasting as usual....looking for adulation &c &c. No picnic, that!

Tom K.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2012 20:54 by Thomas Kirby.
Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
03 August, 2012 11:44
Tom,

While I raced 4s and 8s with Neptune for 3 years up to 1970, I never reached your sculling proficiency. When a friend was emigrating to New Zealand, he drastically dropped the prices of the "Boys Toys" he had acquired over the years, and I became the proud owner of a Yole. Unfortunately some scumbag who broke into a lockup at Blessington Sailing Club stole my lovely lightweight oars as well as other items. The quote for new oars from the UK dealer was as much as I paid for the boat, so I got a guy in Cavan to make me a pair, and I further planed and sanded them down to make them as light as possible. They are still a bit heavy but they do me for early morning rows in Mountshannon smiling smiley
The yole can handle waves and wash, where a lightweight scull would not.

Dermot.
Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
03 August, 2012 12:54
Dermot,

That's a crying shame about the loss of your lightweight sculls. Blesso is a security nightmare. I keep my red boat in the bunker by the bridge there. Fact is, there are lots of hand-me-down pairs about at the various rowing clubs up here and I'll make some enquiries.
The ones in my attached picture were nearly new Dreyers, which I bought off a friend for Eur 200.

Any oars made locally would be 'cricket bats' by comparison, and it would be nice for you to have a lightweight pair back.

T.
Re: How to make a cupful of diesel go a long way!
03 August, 2012 18:09
Tom,

I am in Kerry at the moment, but will be back in Dublin in a few weeks - or sooner if this weather keeps up sad smiley
It would be great to get back to lightweight sculling again. I was going to contact Mick Desmond last year, but just got the wooden ones made instead.

It would be great to find a lightweight pair of sculls. Mine were known as "Standard 265" Presumably 265 is the length. They had aluminium shafts and had what I would call "normal" size blades. If you hear of anything, I would be interested.

Thanks,
Dermot,
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