Green Diesel – New Rules in Finance Act

[Colin BeckerModerator January 31, 2008 at 9:29 pm Post count: 5097]

#22907

Greetings,

In the Finance Bill 2008 published today the Minister has unveiled the new
rules that will apply to the use of “Green” diesel for private pleasure
navigation in RoI.

The Press release is at http://www.finance.gov.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=5162 and
there are links to the bill and the explanatory memorandum at the bottom of
the page.

>From 1 Novemeber the rate of duty will be 368.05 Euro per 1000 litres – the
same as road diesel. Thats in Section 65 on page 91.

Section 66 on then goes on to explain how the tax-man will collect the extra
revenue:
===================begins==============
Subsection (a) iii defines “private pleasure craft” as follows:
”’private pleasure navigation’ means navigation in any craft, by its owner
or the natural or legal person who enjoys its use either through hire or
through any other means, for other than commercial purposes, and in
particular other than for the carriage of passengers or goods, the supply of
services for consideration or for the purposes of public authorities;”,

Subsection (c) then says:

(c) by inserting the following after section 97-

97A.-(1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), heavy oil which has been taxed
at the rate specified in Schedule 30 2 for other heavy oil (referred to in
this section as ”marked gas oil”) may be used for private pleasure
navigation.

(2) Where subsection (1) applies, the owner of the craft used for private
pleasure navigation shall, not later than the first day of March following
the calendar year in which the marked gas oil was purchased for such use,
deliver to an officer-

(a) a return, in such form as the Commissioners may require, of the quantity
in litres of marked gas oil purchased in that calendar year, and

(b) payment of an amount of mineral oil tax calculated at the rate of 32.069
cent per litre (which is the difference between the mineral oil tax rate for
marked gas oil
and the rate for heavy oil used for private pleasure navigation) on such
quantity

(3) The owner referred to in subsection (2) shall, together with vouched
receipts for all purchases of the marked gas oil concerned, maintain a
record of such purchases, in such form as the Commissioners may require.
==========ends================
The somewhat confusing wording arises because what the 2008 Bill does is
amend an earlier Act.

My reading (and I’m only a simple engineer, not a parliamentary draughtsman
or a lawyer) is that from 1 November of this year we will be required to
keep a record of any “Green” diesel we buy for our boats along with the
receipts and then between 1-January and 31-March each year make a return to
the revenue saying how much we bought and enclosing a cheque for the extra
duty payable.

Two things aren’t clear to me:

1) What happens if I buy “Red” diesel in Northern Ireland

and

2) How hirers of hire-boats will cope (because my reading is that the hirers
will be liable for the extra duty.)

These are questions that we will pose to the Powers That Be in the Dept. of
Finance.

Colin Becker
Project/Development Officer, IWAI
“IWAI – The Voice of the Waterways”

[Ewan DuffySpectator January 31, 2008 at 9:45 pm Post count: 81]

#32955

The word “unconstitutional” applies to the exclusion of full duty for green
diesel used for the purposes of public authorities, on the basis that the
State cannot favour itself. The fact that the State would be paying itself
is irrelevant.

On Jan 31, 2008 9:29 PM, Colin Becker (Project Officer, IWAI) <
colin_becker[AG]iwai.ie> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> In the Finance Bill 2008 published today the Minister has unveiled the new
> rules that will apply to the use of “Green” diesel for private pleasure
> navigation in RoI.
>
> The Press release is at http://www.finance.gov.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=5162and
> there are links to the bill and the explanatory memorandum at the bottom
> of
> the page.
>
> From 1 Novemeber the rate of duty will be 368.05 Euro per 1000 litres –
> the
> same as road diesel. Thats in Section 65 on page 91.
>
> Section 66 on then goes on to explain how the tax-man will collect the
> extra
> revenue:
> ===================begins==============
> Subsection (a) iii defines “private pleasure craft” as follows:
> ”’private pleasure navigation’ means navigation in any craft, by its
> owner
> or the natural or legal person who enjoys its use either through hire or
> through any other means, for other than commercial purposes, and in
> particular other than for the carriage of passengers or goods, the supply
> of
> services for consideration or for the purposes of public authorities;”,
>
> Subsection (c) then says:
>
> (c) by inserting the following after section 97-
>
> 97A.-(1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), heavy oil which has been
> taxed
> at the rate specified in Schedule 30 2 for other heavy oil (referred to in
> this section as ”marked gas oil”) may be used for private pleasure
> navigation.
>
> (2) Where subsection (1) applies, the owner of the craft used for private
> pleasure navigation shall, not later than the first day of March following
> the calendar year in which the marked gas oil was purchased for such use,
> deliver to an officer-
>
> (a) a return, in such form as the Commissioners may require, of the
> quantity
> in litres of marked gas oil purchased in that calendar year, and
>
> (b) payment of an amount of mineral oil tax calculated at the rate of
> 32.069
> cent per litre (which is the difference between the mineral oil tax rate
> for
> marked gas oil
> and the rate for heavy oil used for private pleasure navigation) on such
> quantity
>
> (3) The owner referred to in subsection (2) shall, together with vouched
> receipts for all purchases of the marked gas oil concerned, maintain a
> record of such purchases, in such form as the Commissioners may require.
> ==========ends================
> The somewhat confusing wording arises because what the 2008 Bill does is
> amend an earlier Act.
>
> My reading (and I’m only a simple engineer, not a parliamentary
> draughtsman
> or a lawyer) is that from 1 November of this year we will be required to
> keep a record of any “Green” diesel we buy for our boats along with the
> receipts and then between 1-January and 31-March each year make a return
> to
> the revenue saying how much we bought and enclosing a cheque for the extra
> duty payable.
>
> Two things aren’t clear to me:
>
> 1) What happens if I buy “Red” diesel in Northern Ireland
>
> and
>
> 2) How hirers of hire-boats will cope (because my reading is that the
> hirers
> will be liable for the extra duty.)
>
> These are questions that we will pose to the Powers That Be in the Dept.
> of
> Finance.
>
> Colin Becker
> Project/Development Officer, IWAI
> “IWAI – The Voice of the Waterways”
>
>

[Noel GriffinParticipant January 31, 2008 at 10:41 pm Post count: 4935]

#32956

Hi Colin

That’s good news and a victory for common sense. That means diesel will
typically cost €1.16 per litre instead of 80c which is not as bad as the
doomsday merchants would have led us all to beleive, and certainly NOT
double the price of “green”.

Noel

[watertalk1Spectator February 1, 2008 at 1:54 am Post count: 353]

#32957

more importantly it doesnt affect the current sources of supply and is self
administered by the users

Colin, Theres no confusion about hirers. They simply have to make the same
return ( you dont have to own the boat)

As to Northern ireland, Not really something we should ask the dept.

I suspect that it will be just ignored.

dave

a great victory for common sense

[Noel GriffinParticipant February 1, 2008 at 8:27 am Post count: 4935]

#32958

Hi Dave

> more importantly it doesnt affect the current sources of supply and is
> self administered by the users

This is a great option, because if Marina’s had been forced to stock white
diesel, they and the few road tankers with white permits would have charged
considerably more than “road” prices due to the small volumn and tiny
margines. This way the green/red supply chain remains untouched, and all we
have to do is pay the 36.8c duty per litre to the tax man once a year.

Interesting question though if not relevant inland:
Given UK and ROI will continue to legally permit the use and storage of
red/green diesel in leisure boats, collecting the extra duty later – How
will a UK or ROI boat arriving in France, Spain or Holland be treated with
tanks full of red/green?

Did sir humphrey think of that one

Noel

[Mick FarrellSpectator February 1, 2008 at 9:31 am Post count: 3492]

#32959

OK…so now we finally know…it seems a very reasonable solution to the
issue. Fair play to those who’ve lobbied on our behalves…!!!
Now….a question….I seem to recall someone stating on here a while back
that white diesel actually burns cleaner than green….(????) Given that
I seldom use riverside pumps and that green is now effectivlely the same
price as white, would it be to my advantage to just use white anyway…??

M(W&W)F

[watertalk1Spectator February 1, 2008 at 9:49 am Post count: 353]

#32960

Mick , Marked gas Oil , particulary the makeup used in Ireland , is
inferiour to road diesel ( DERV). Generally old engines prefer the green
diesel as it has a greater lubricating effect, whereas modern boat engines
and derived from car diesels and prefer road diesel.

As to pricing I suspect that green diesel will remain a bit cheaper as its
will be bought in bulk , whereas its hard to get bulk deliveries of road
diesel to a boat.

Dave

[Neil ArlidgeParticipant February 1, 2008 at 10:22 am Post count: 40]

#32961

Colin,

You a star!..God, the IWAI is with-it getting info out so quickly.
No doubt the UK will follow…..most of the uk boating groups / IWA heard it
first via you!

There is the question about how much duty you pay back to the govt. if (like
many UK/ROI boats) you only have one tank for engine / heating /
cooking…also interesting if the propulsion engine has a 230v AC generator,
and could just be used for that purpose, like mine.
Another question …what will a UK (mainland) resident do, that keeps his
boat in the ROI, buys most of his diesel in the ROI, but is only an hours
cruising away from the NI??!!

Neil Arlidge – NB Earnest – Shannon Reg 7410
Read about the TNC Irish travels at:
http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/Tour_07/index.html
Defend The Waterways:
http://www.saveourwaterways.org.uk/

Colin Becker (Project Officer, IWAI) wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> In the Finance Bill 2008 published today the Minister has unveiled
> the new rules that will apply to the use of “Green” diesel for
> private pleasure navigation in RoI.
>
> The Press release is at
> http://www.finance.gov.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=5162 and there are links
> to the bill and the explanatory memorandum at the bottom of the page.
>
> From 1 Novemeber the rate of duty will be 368.05 Euro per 1000 litres
> – the same as road diesel. Thats in Section 65 on page 91.
>
> Section 66 on then goes on to explain how the tax-man will collect
> the extra revenue:
> ===================begins==============
> Subsection (a) iii defines “private pleasure craft” as follows:
> ”’private pleasure navigation’ means navigation in any craft, by its
> owner or the natural or legal person who enjoys its use either
> through hire or through any other means, for other than commercial
> purposes, and in particular other than for the carriage of passengers
> or goods, the supply of services for consideration or for the
> purposes of public authorities;”,
> Subsection (c) then says:
>
> (c) by inserting the following after section 97-
>
> 97A.-(1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), heavy oil which has been
> taxed at the rate specified in Schedule 30 2 for other heavy oil
> (referred to in this section as ”marked gas oil”) may be used for
> private pleasure navigation.
>
> (2) Where subsection (1) applies, the owner of the craft used for
> private pleasure navigation shall, not later than the first day of
> March following the calendar year in which the marked gas oil was
> purchased for such use, deliver to an officer-
>
> (a) a return, in such form as the Commissioners may require, of the
> quantity in litres of marked gas oil purchased in that calendar year,
> and
> (b) payment of an amount of mineral oil tax calculated at the rate of
> 32.069 cent per litre (which is the difference between the mineral
> oil tax rate for marked gas oil
> and the rate for heavy oil used for private pleasure navigation) on
> such quantity
>
> (3) The owner referred to in subsection (2) shall, together with
> vouched receipts for all purchases of the marked gas oil concerned,
> maintain a record of such purchases, in such form as the
> Commissioners may require. ==========ends================
> The somewhat confusing wording arises because what the 2008 Bill does
> is amend an earlier Act.
>
> My reading (and I’m only a simple engineer, not a parliamentary
> draughtsman or a lawyer) is that from 1 November of this year we will
> be required to keep a record of any “Green” diesel we buy for our
> boats along with the receipts and then between 1-January and 31-March
> each year make a return to the revenue saying how much we bought and
> enclosing a cheque for the extra duty payable.
>
> Two things aren’t clear to me:
>
> 1) What happens if I buy “Red” diesel in Northern Ireland
>
> and
>
> 2) How hirers of hire-boats will cope (because my reading is that the
> hirers will be liable for the extra duty.)
>
> These are questions that we will pose to the Powers That Be in the
> Dept. of Finance.
>
> Colin Becker
> Project/Development Officer, IWAI
> “IWAI – The Voice of the Waterways”
>
>
>

[M. G. KerrSpectator February 1, 2008 at 11:15 am Post count: 6]

#32962

Neil wrote “Another question …what will a UK (mainland) resident do, that
keeps his boat in the ROI,”

To digress from the matter of the diesel for a moment, most the natives on
this island regard the “mainland” as the chunk of land that starts at Calais
and runs east from there. The UK just like Ireland is also an island. There
is another UK contributor to this forum that used to refer to the UK as the
“mainland” but he saw the light !

With best nautical regards,

Maurice

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Colin,

You a star!..God, the IWAI is with-it getting info out so quickly.

No doubt the UK will follow…..most of the uk boating groups / IWA heard it

first via you!

There is the question about how much duty you pay back to the govt. if (like

many UK/ROI boats) you only have one tank for engine / heating /

cooking…also interesting if the propulsion engine has a 230v AC generator,

and could just be used for that purpose, like mine.

Another question …what will a UK (mainland) resident do, that keeps his

boat in the ROI, buys most of his diesel in the ROI, but is only an hours

cruising away from the NI??!!

Neil Arlidge – NB Earnest – Shannon Reg 7410

Read about the TNC Irish travels at:

http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/Tour_07/index.html

Defend The Waterways:

http://www.saveourwaterways.org.uk/

Colin Becker (Project Officer, IWAI) wrote:

> Greetings,

>

> In the Finance Bill 2008 published today the Minister has unveiled

> the new rules that will apply to the use of “Green” diesel for

> private pleasure navigation in RoI.

>

> The Press release is at

> http://www.finance.gov.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=5162 and there are links

> to the bill and the explanatory memorandum at the bottom of the page.

>

> From 1 Novemeber the rate of duty will be 368.05 Euro per 1000 litres

> – the same as road diesel. Thats in Section 65 on page 91.

>

> Section 66 on then goes on to explain how the tax-man will collect

> the extra revenue:

> ===================begins==============

> Subsection (a) iii defines “private pleasure craft” as follows:

> ”’private pleasure navigation’ means navigation in any craft, by its

> owner or the natural or legal person who enjoys its use either

> through hire or through any other means, for other than commercial

> purposes, and in particular other than for the carriage of passengers

> or goods, the supply of services for consideration or for the

> purposes of public authorities;”,

> Subsection (c) then says:

>

> (c) by inserting the following after section 97-

>

> 97A.-(1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), heavy oil which has been

> taxed at the rate specified in Schedule 30 2 for other heavy oil

> (referred to in this section as ”marked gas oil”) may be used for

> private pleasure navigation.

>

> (2) Where subsection (1) applies, the owner of the craft used for

> private pleasure navigation shall, not later than the first day of

> March following the calendar year in which the marked gas oil was

> purchased for such use, deliver to an officer-

>

> (a) a return, in such form as the Commissioners may require, of the

> quantity in litres of marked gas oil purchased in that calendar year,

> and

> (b) payment of an amount of mineral oil tax calculated at the rate of

> 32.069 cent per litre (which is the difference between the mineral

> oil tax rate for marked gas oil

> and the rate for heavy oil used for private pleasure navigation) on

> such quantity

>

> (3) The owner referred to in subsection (2) shall, together with

> vouched receipts for all purchases of the marked gas oil concerned,

> maintain a record of such purchases, in such form as the

> Commissioners may require. ==========ends================

> The somewhat confusing wording arises because what the 2008 Bill does

> is amend an earlier Act.

>

> My reading (and I’m only a simple engineer, not a parliamentary

> draughtsman or a lawyer) is that from 1 November of this year we will

> be required to keep a record of any “Green” diesel we buy for our

> boats along with the receipts and then between 1-January and 31-March

> each year make a return to the revenue saying how much we bought and

> enclosing a cheque for the extra duty payable.

>

> Two things aren’t clear to me:

>

> 1) What happens if I buy “Red” diesel in Northern Ireland

>

> and

>

> 2) How hirers of hire-boats will cope (because my reading is that the

> hirers will be liable for the extra duty.)

>

> These are questions that we will pose to the Powers That Be in the

> Dept. of Finance.

>

> Colin Becker

> Project/Development Officer, IWAI

> “IWAI – The Voice of the Waterways”

>

>

[Colin BeckerModerator February 1, 2008 at 11:33 am Post count: 5097]

#32963

Neil wrote….

> You a star!..God, the IWAI is with-it getting info out so quickly.
> No doubt the UK will follow…..most of the uk boating groups / IWA heard
> it first via you!

Colin (blushing)>>>>We aim to please……

> There is the question about how much duty you pay back to the govt. if
> (like many UK/ROI boats) you only have one tank for engine / heating /
> cooking…also interesting if the propulsion engine has a 230v AC
> generator, and could just be used for that purpose, like mine.

Colin>>>>That doesn’t appear to be catered for in the bill. I will ask the
question of the Powers That Be…..

> Another question …what will a UK (mainland) resident do, that keeps his
> boat in the ROI, buys most of his diesel in the ROI, but is only an hours
> cruising away from the NI??!!

Colin>>>>I think, as Dave has explained, the issue is where you buy the
fuel. If you buy marked gas oil in the Republic, you will have an
obligation to make a return to the Irish Revenue every year of how much you
bought and to send them a cheque for the duty owing. Regardless of where
you actually live or indeed keep the boat. Quite how they will enforce that
is unclear.
We haven’t seen anything from HM Revenue folks but from what I’m hearing,
they will probably adopt a similar approach.

Best Wishes,

Colin

[Miriam HendersonSpectator February 1, 2008 at 12:10 pm Post count: 13]

#32964

Hear, hear….

Ramsay

[watertalk1Spectator February 1, 2008 at 12:11 pm Post count: 353]

#32965

“Quite how they will enforce that
is unclear.”

it will be enforced in the same way as they enforce cross border speeding
fines or parking tickets. ie they will not bother, its simplu not worth the
enforcement costs.

Dave

As to heating propulsion, that is catered for . The act refers to use in
propolusion ( or navigation) so just deduct teh amount “you” think your
heater uses and remit the amount.

Its like all self assesment taxes , you evaluate whats right and submit the
return

[Neil ArlidgeParticipant February 1, 2008 at 12:47 pm Post count: 40]

#32967

Maurice,

I said UK Mainland, as I am a UK (Mainland) resident and not resident in UK
(NI)…maybe I should have said Britain…but then again that would pee some
people off…I do try to be politically correct…Maybe I should have said
“The big island of the Celtic Archepelago”. The reason I split things off
this way, is that is the way the main navigation authorities / inland
boating is split (though there are some that would say that British
Waterways (Scotland) is as good as a separate entity to the rest of British
Waterways.

Neil Arlidge – NB Earnest – Shannon Reg 7410
Read about the TNC Irish travels at:
http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/Tour_07/index.html
Defend The Waterways:
http://www.saveourwaterways.org.uk/

M. G. Kerr wrote:
> Neil wrote “Another question …what will a UK (mainland) resident
> do, that keeps his boat in the ROI,”
>
>
>
> To digress from the matter of the diesel for a moment, most the
> natives on this island regard the “mainland” as the chunk of land
> that starts at Calais and runs east from there. The UK just like
> Ireland is also an island. There is another UK contributor to this
> forum that used to refer to the UK as the “mainland” but he saw the
> light !
>
>
>
> With best nautical regards,
>
>
>
> Maurice
>
> m.s. Angelique
>
>
>
> Tel. +353 86 2547 947
>
> mailto:mgkerr[AG]indigo.ie

[graylion1Spectator February 1, 2008 at 1:06 pm Post count: 7]

#32968

The name of said island is Great Britain I think …

Bernhard

Neil Arlidge wrote:
>
> Maurice,
>
> I said UK Mainland, as I am a UK (Mainland) resident and not resident in
> UK (NI)…maybe I should have said Britain…but then again that would
> pee some people off…I do try to be politically correct…Maybe I
> should have said “The big island of the Celtic Archepelago”. The reason
> I split things off this way, is that is the way the main navigation
> authorities / inland boating is split (though there are some that would
> say that British Waterways (Scotland) is as good as a separate entity to
> the rest of British Waterways.
>
> Neil Arlidge – NB Earnest – Shannon Reg 7410
> Read about the TNC Irish travels at:
> http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/Tour_07/index.html
> Defend The Waterways:
> http://www.saveourwaterways.org.uk/
>
> M. G. Kerr wrote:
>> Neil wrote “Another question …what will a UK (mainland) resident
>> do, that keeps his boat in the ROI,”
>>
>>
>>
>> To digress from the matter of the diesel for a moment, most the
>> natives on this island regard the “mainland” as the chunk of land
>> that starts at Calais and runs east from there. The UK just like
>> Ireland is also an island. There is another UK contributor to this
>> forum that used to refer to the UK as the “mainland” but he saw the
>> light !
>>
>>
>>
>> With best nautical regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Maurice
>>
>> m.s. Angelique
>>
>>
>>
>> Tel. +353 86 2547 947
>>
>> mailto:mgkerr[AG]indigo.ie
>
>
>

[Neil ArlidgeParticipant February 1, 2008 at 1:34 pm Post count: 40]

#32969

Sorry, us Canucks get confused!

Neil Arlidge – NB Earnest – Shannon Reg 7410
Read about the TNC Irish travels at:
http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/Tour_07/index.html

Miriam Henderson wrote:
> Hear, hear….
>
> Ramsay
>

[watertalk1Spectator February 1, 2008 at 3:40 pm Post count: 353]

#32970

hey guys , lets not get picky mainland, islands, blah blah , I know what
you mean, I have no probkems, call it,here there whatever you like.

PS Neil, The best is not to justify oneself, thast usually makes it worse.

Lads and lassies, lets leave the discussions on nomenclature for
http://www.politics.ie, or boards.ie or wherever.

To misquote Calvin and Hobbs, “Guinness and medals all round”

Dave

[Noel GriffinParticipant February 1, 2008 at 4:24 pm Post count: 4935]

#32971

Hi Dave

Hear hear, agree 100% well said. No need for sniping

> hey guys , lets not get picky mainland, islands, blah blah , I know what
> you mean, I have no probkems, call it,here there whatever you like.
>
> PS Neil, The best is not to justify oneself, thast usually makes it worse.
>
> Lads and lassies, lets leave the discussions on nomenclature for
> http://www.politics.ie, or boards.ie or wherever.
>
> To misquote Calvin and Hobbs, “Guinness and medals all round”
>
> Dave

[Mick FarrellSpectator February 1, 2008 at 4:56 pm Post count: 3492]

#32972

Maurice,

Surely the term “the mainland” is relative one. I doubt that someone standing on the Arran Islands would be refering to the European Mainland if they were to use that expression. I also feel that the phrase “UK (mainland)” is a reasonable one to describe the larger portion of these 2 non contigious landmasses…!!!

M(W&W)F

[John.Kinsella1Spectator February 1, 2008 at 5:02 pm Post count: 2768]

#32973

IMHO UK mainland seem a perfectly reasonable term for the larger of the
two neighbouring islands.

What sometimes irritates people is when (usually in N. Ireland but not
always) people refer to the neighbouring island as “the mainland”

An extreme case in my experience was when on an island off the Irish
West coast years ago (don’t remember which but we got there by boat) I
asked two Scots girls when they were going back to the mainland.

They said not for a few days…

My confusion was followed by a little general embarrassment when they
realised I meant Clare (or wherever) and I realised that they meant
(Great) Britain…

John

Mick Farrell wrote:
> Maurice,
> Surely the term “the mainland” is relative one. I doubt that someone
> standing on the Arran Islands would be refering to the European
> Mainland if they were to use that expression. I also feel that the
> phrase “UK (mainland)” is a reasonable one to describe the larger
> portion of these 2 non contigious landmasses…!!!
> M(W&W)F
>
>

[Marguerite & Stephen MaherSpectator February 1, 2008 at 5:14 pm Post count: 260]

#32974

OK why do we not just call our patch the colonies ?

Stephen Maher,

Gerda

Dutch Boat

[Neil ArlidgeParticipant February 1, 2008 at 5:42 pm Post count: 40]

#32975

…anway, thus is getting just like uk.rec.waterways…let’s get back on
topic…

Glad to see that we have compleatly wrongfooted the uk news groups, telling
them what will be happening to their red diesel.
I notice Ocean Froggie at work on ybw.

Neil Arlidge – NB Earnest – Shannon Reg 7410
Read about the TNC Irish travels at:
http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/Tour_07/index.html

Marguerite & Stephen Maher wrote:
> OK why do we not just call our patch the colonies ?
>
>
> Stephen Maher,
>
> Gerda
>
> Dutch Boat
>

[Mick FarrellSpectator February 1, 2008 at 6:02 pm Post count: 3492]

#32976

Ahhhh sure we need these occasionl little digressions. It keeps the topic
of the GPS thingys…LOL. Did Noel tell it straight or did he sneak in
any “ball hopping”…???

M(W&W)F

[Noel GriffinParticipant February 1, 2008 at 6:13 pm Post count: 4935]

#32977

Some of us live in a country on the larger part of an island which is a political entity called the republic of Ireland, which is part a collection of islands geographically referred to as the British Isles – get over it. We’re all just part of the human race. The term “mainland” is used wholly and exclusively on Fr Ted’s Craggy Island. The EU is the politically correct term for the German/Franco controlled alliance that governs 23 other member states, administered by Brussels sprouts, who caused the whole green/red diesel problem in the first place. Chill out fellow humans.

Noel

[michael moroneySpectator February 4, 2008 at 3:00 pm Post count: 187]

#32995

Noel

Give them some more archaic bits to chew – we are ( the inhabitants of this
western isle all of us) the original ‘west brits’ the other lot were johhny
come latelys, they arrived in 1169 at least the french advance party of
them did mainly now concentrated in wexford (dna)- the diminutive ‘brit’
short for anglo saxon ‘british’ a descriptive noun for the breton – celts
the inhabitants of these islands prior to 1066 and all that – breton is
celtic as in brittany fr.– get a grip lads . after all we had political
control east to the welsh/english border area up to the 8th century.The dna
says the true centre of the 21st century ‘brit’ bioculture is castlebar –
thats the datum check it – cumbria/nth yorkshire shares the same dna
profile as do the majority in wales and s.western eng.- so the historical
description for the western european archipelago of islands should be the
‘british isleas’ modified spelling to include our basque cousins who fell
of the trolley en route – oh yes we are still part of the human race on
reflection we are probably a goodly part of it given the dispora and our
fondness for the fair sex .

Mike

Mike Moroney ( moroneymf[AG]eircom.net )

[shane1Spectator February 5, 2008 at 2:12 pm Post count: 1235]

#33001

I know someone who used to regard the USA as a colony !.

> OK why do we not just call our patch the colonies ?
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